tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283396870042562820.post7392934117516253504..comments2021-11-26T17:47:46.407-05:00Comments on Canadian Soapbox: Québec's values charter, starting to win me overGordie Canukhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11889201338151732092noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283396870042562820.post-35174047651678727012013-10-23T10:41:40.524-04:002013-10-23T10:41:40.524-04:00I don't really see in which way anyone can thi...I don't really see in which way anyone can think that what's in this charter can have any positive effect against intolerance, personally, or on what we'll see in 99% of public places. But I wouldn't say we should wait until it's a bigger problem. Not only do I think that the charter will in itself make it a bigger problem rather than helping to solve it, but also that there are much more efficient ways to have a better relationship with these cultures, and in the process to use our tax money way better. Furthermore, the assumption that this is a growing menace in an undetermined future is a lot like some sort of conspiracy theory - at least at the current levels of immigration which I don't find scary at all. In that sense, it seems quite paradoxical that as we pretend to curtail religious radicalism here, we choose to do it by relying on an irrational analysis of causes and consequences, based on fears that are not supported by the evidence. Well, that's my personal view, again maybe I'm missing something.<br />Yvan St-Pierrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12162941481377902084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283396870042562820.post-24611940214583660322013-10-22T18:16:19.627-04:002013-10-22T18:16:19.627-04:00Merci bien pour votre commentaire tres raisonable ...Merci bien pour votre commentaire tres raisonable Yvan. Its a difficult problem for sure...I'm in the Capital city, and when I go to the mall I do see women who are veiled, always with their husbands. I don't have a problem with Quebec saying it will not be tolerant of intolerance, but I recognize its not a HUGE issue. I guess maybe we should wait until its a bigger problem?Gordie Canukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11889201338151732092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283396870042562820.post-49168552879346376862013-10-22T10:53:12.370-04:002013-10-22T10:53:12.370-04:00Hi - just ended up on your blog as I'm trying ...Hi - just ended up on your blog as I'm trying to understand how to make sense of this situation, any other way than as an extremely damageable thing for everyone except in the PQ's very short-term advantage.<br />No question in my mind that muslim fundamentalism is not something to be encouraged, obviously, but how is encouraging the current rise in intolerance any better? I'm a francophone born in Montreal, I've lived there 40 odd years and have been in the pure laine area of Joliette for almost 10 years now, and I must say I have a really hard time making sense of this whole thing. Isn't Europe slowly drifting towards this right-wing sort of xenophobic thing right now? Even the french socialists have been contaminated by the Front national toxic propaganda. Where is this heading? And we want to emulate this now? For what, a couple of percent of muslims, within which may be hiding a couple percent of extremists. And you really think that we can legislate values? I don't buy the idea that women who are forced to wear the scarf will then have a usable argument to take it off - they'll be forced just as well by their extremist relatives to leave their job, and the whole thing will just further fuel their hate of western freedoms, and we will have lost the little handle we had that could help us engage them in a healthier social process. In the end, islamism is really winning the war, if there ever was one, by making us decrease the amount of our freedoms, when we should do the exact opposite. Or maybe I'm just going crazy. Bonne journée!Yvan St-Pierrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12162941481377902084noreply@blogger.com